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Who Wrote The Vedas? Are They Eternal?

Article of the Month - November 2010
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For those bathing in the shower of their grace and delighting in their wisdom, the Vedas are but a manifest form of God's compassion. Containing knowledge on subjects beyond the domain and reach of human intellectual capability, the mere word Veda itself sends up a thrill through the spine, and there arises from the bottom of one's heart a feeling of immense gratitude and affection for the Divine Creator from whose breath have emerged these guiding words of wisdom.

The depth of the faith people have in the Vedas is amazing. This is not restricted to India where such a faith is universal, expressed one way or the other. Even in foreign lands we see many men and women diligently trying to establish Vedic traditions in their native places. It is obvious that there is no penalty for them for not following the Vedic rules; even then, they continue to work hard to try and obey them. The roots of the Vedas are thus too deep and tenacious to be judged only summarily.

Why do people have so much respect for the Vedas? If it had been our direct experience that following them would invariably lead to material happiness and not obeying would definitely lead to sorrow, perhaps this deep respect would have been justifiable as an act of fear and awe. However, it is not so. We cannot establish any direct connection between material happiness and following the Vedas. On the contrary, we see many societies which have no contact with the Vedas but are materially more prosperous. Even amongst the followers, prosperous people may not have much faith and people with immense faith may not be prosperous at all. In fact, many times we see people with faith facing many difficulties in their lives. In this way, we see that faith in the Vedas and acting according to their instructions do not appear to have any direct connection with material prosperity. Given the modern way of living, obsessed as it is with the material aspects of life, it is surprising that the allegiance to the Vedas still continues, ingrained in us in an unexplained, deep-rooted manner.

What is the Reason for this Supreme Faith in the Vedas?

The reason is simple enough: The Vedas are not man made. It is impossible to associate any human being with their authorship. Then who made them? Before proceeding logically to establish the authorship of the Vedas, let us remember one simple definition: God is one who is responsible for all those things for which we are not responsible. Therefore, Vedas must be the work of God. However, many find it difficult to believe this. Towards this end, the following objections are raised:

Objection: Vedas contain both prose and poetry; therefore, whoever composed these should be deemed their author.

Reply: But we have never heard any composer's name being associated with the Vedas.

Doubt: Maybe people have forgotten their names because the composers lived a long time back.

Valmiki and Vyasa
Valmiki and Vyasa

 

 

 

 

 

 

Resolution: The Sanskrit poet Kalidasa who lived more than 2000 years ago is well known as the author of the play Abhijnana Shakuntala. The name of Vyasa, who lived more than 5000 years ago, is on the lips of every Indian child as the author of the Mahabharata. Valmiki, whose date is so ancient that it is not known to anybody, is widely known as the author of the Ramayana, and his birthday is celebrated throughout India even today with much fanfare. How is it possible that only the author of the Vedas is not known, and that tradition has never ever ascribed authorship of the Vedas to anybody at all?

 

 

 

 

 

 

Objection: Even in the case of folk songs sung throughout India, no one knows the author. For simply this reason, you cannot claim that these folk songs too are not a creation of man (Apourusheya).

Resolution: There is a world of difference between the Vedas and folk songs. Folk songs are not only very short in length but also very short lived unlike the Vedas. They do not conform to grammar rules. Sometimes they do not even have a formal structure. Many a times they are light hearted and banter-like in nature. However the Vedas are vast and deep, and have a profound structure. Therefore, there is no scope for comparison here.

Doubt: But every hymn of the Vedas contains in its beginning the name of a sage (Rishi) who composed it, along with the name of the god eulogized in that particular hymn and also the meter (chhanda) in which the hymn is composed.

Reply: The Rishis cannot be the composer of the hymns because of the following reasons:

Musical Structure of the Vedas:

Consider music of very famous Indian composers like Purandaradasa (around 1500 AD), and Tyagaraja (1800 AD). They have composed songs in various ragas (musical modes) and tala (rhythms). However, within this short period of time, both the mode and rhythm of their compositions have undergone a sea change. Indeed, such a change has not taken place in the musical structure of the Vedas.

There are six aspects in the musical structure of the Vedas:

a). Varna: The actual alphabets.

b). Swara: The musical notes.

c). Matra: The extension of a letter during its pronunciation.

d). Bala: The stress of an alphabet.

e). Sama: A special rendering.

f). Santana: A non-stop recitation over a certain length.

Consider for example the Matra. It is defined by the duration of a peacock's sound. Recently, acousticians have recorded Vedic recitation from traditional pundits and also notes of the peacock. On comparison, the intervals coincide upto an accuracy of nanoseconds. That is, the musical structure has remained unchanged since time immemorial. This would have been impossible if the Vedas had been the composition of human beings.

The Vastness of the Vedas

There is another reason to draw this conclusion. The Vedas are unimaginably vast. Patanjali, the founder of Yoga, whose date even by the harshest critics is never placed after the birth of Christ, has written a monumental work on grammar called the 'Mahabhashya.' There he gives a bibliography of the Vedas. He laments that in his time there remained only 21 branches of the Rigveda, 31 of the Yajurveda, 1000 of Samaveda, and 9 of the Atharvaveda. In each of these branches there are further four divisions each called: Samhita, Brahmana, Aranyaka and Upanishad. Out of these branches in vogue 2000 years ago, we now have remaining today only the following: 1 in Rigveda, 3 in Yajurveda, 2 in Samaveda, and 2 in Atharvaveda, a grand total of eight. In order to recite all these existing 8 branches, it needs about 300 hours. So, to recite the Vedas that existed at the time of Patanjali would have required about 40,000 hours. This is too much immense and cannot be the creation of any one individual.

Doubt: This is true; however, the Vedas are not the creation of a single person. There may have been several composers accounting for their vastness. Do we not see the same thing in the Internet today, what with its billions of pages, authored by millions of people over an extended period of time?

Resolution: This statement is not correct because it gets refuted in the light of the fact that though the Vedas are so vast, there is not a single contradiction in them. Had they been the creation of several people belonging to different places and composed at different times, there should have been contradictions. It is a universal experience that no two human beings agree on all issues at all times.

Objection: What you are saying is not true. There are lots of contradictions in the Vedas. At one place it is said, "Never give up karma", at another "Give up karma". One says, "The world came from vacuum". Another doubts this by saying “How can the world come from vacuum?” At a third place it is said, "The world came from God". These are certainly contradictions.

Resolution: This objection is not valid. Consider the following example:

A man walking outside a house heard a ladies' sound from within: "Son, please drink milk, it is very good for your health. Do not insist on eating this fried potato, it is not good". In the evening, going by the same way he heard the same woman's voice: "Why are you insisting on milk? What is in it except water? Potatoes are ready, eat them". At another time he heard her saying: "You are continuously sitting and studying. Go out and play for sometime". Later he heard her say: "Why are you always playing here and there like an idle dog? Sit down and study. If you go outside again, I will thrash you".

These statements are certainly contradictory. Hearing them one can conclude that there are many people in the house who have a lot of difference of opinion between them and that the lady who has spoken these words is very quarrelsome. Your conclusion about the Vedas is also like this. The moment you encounter such statements in the Vedas it would be immature to straightaway label them as contradictory.

The correct thing obviously would be to compare the contexts in which the various statements have been made, and only then venture to interpret them. For example, in the above illustration, after investigation it turned out that the woman was dissuading a small child from eating fried potatoes and insisting on him to take milk, while a grown up child was being offered potatoes. One studious boy was being encouraged to go out and play, while an errant one was being forced to sit down and study. Interpreted in this contextual way, everything falls beautifully into place and there remains no contradiction at all.

Similarly in the Vedas, karma is prescribed for those who have attachment to the body. Those who have no attachment are advised to give it up. The statement that the world came out of nothing is only a metaphor to signify that the root cause of the world is extremely subtle. Therefore, the descriptions are to be understood as different levels of clarity. This is there in every field of knowledge. In science too, don't we first tell the child that the electron goes around the nucleus in circles. It is only after a certain stage that the more complicated concept of probability path is explained. It is the same here. Therefore, we assert that there are no contradictions in the Vedas.

Scientific Truths in the Vedas:

Another reason why the Vedas cannot be man made is that many of the very recent and remarkable discoveries of science are already mentioned in them. Some crucial examples are as follows:

1). What came first, the seed or the tree? After a lot of investigations botanists have found out that the tree appeared first. Based on this, they have even evolved methods of growing a tree straight through a part of the tree instead of through the seed. This is what is called 'Tissue Culture'. Now, notice a mantra in the Chandogya Upanishad: "It is only the tree which is the seed of the tree. So also, the bird is the seed of the bird, and not the egg".

This means that in the process of creation it was the tree that appeared first, rather than the seed. While commenting on this mantra the great Shankaracharya asks the following question: "When it is a matter of common observation that it is the seed which is the seed of the tree, how can the Vedas say that the tree is the seed of the tree"?

Shankaracharya and Disciples
Shankaracharya and Disciples

 

 

 

 

 

 

Then he replies, giving a heuristic proof of the Vedic statement: "Yes, if the Vedas depended on our intelligence, they could not have made the statement. But remember, the Vedas are an independent source of knowledge. Moreover, don't we see that many plants are born without seeds, though no seed is born without a plant? Therefore, we cannot doubt the Vedic statement". What the big scientists have discovered after a lot of investigation with great effort, has been casually mentioned in the Vedas.

 

 

 

 

 

 

2). The Atharvaveda and the Puranas assert that there are seven islands in the world. From our present knowledge we know that these are Eurasia, Africa, South America, North America, Australia, Greenland and Antarctica. Till the year 1911 however, only six islands were known to the world. Antarctica was discovered only on 14th December 1911. Then how can the Vedas which certainly existed before 1911 say that there are seven islands in the world? The only answer to this question is that God who created the seven islands certainly knew this and therefore He could tell it through the Vedas.

There are several other secrets of nature which have come to sight only recently through scientific discoveries, but are already mentioned in the Vedas. Talented scientists with their penetrating intelligence have made these discoveries with unparalleled efforts through subtle experiments. How is that the Vedas speak about them? It would be ridiculous to say that the Rishis wrote them after conducting experiments or analyzing them by inference. By inference is it possible to say that there are seven islands on the earth? This number cannot be arrived at by any logic. Therefore, the only satisfactory explanation is that the One who is responsible for this creation is also responsible for the Vedas.

Objection: The information mentioned in the Vedas is not always scientifically accurate. At one place in the Vedas it is said that the world is flat, which is obviously against the facts.

Answer: Can you please tell where exactly in the Vedas does this statement occur?

Objector: I have not seen it, but many people say this.

Resolution: We too have heard this kind of speculation before. However, nowhere in the Vedas have we come across any such statement anywhere. In this context it is very important to observe that the earth is often called in the Vedas as 'bhu-mandala', which obviously means circular or spherical. In fact, the cosmos itself is termed as 'brahmanda', meaning it is oval or egg-shaped. The Vedas are not only precisely accurate in the information they provide, but also there is impeccable effectiveness in the method they use to disseminate their wisdom. Additionally, the remarkable feature of the Vedas is that even though they dwell on issues beyond the comprehension of the human mind, nevertheless, all their assertions are verifiable either through inference or actual experience.

In the foregoing discussion, it has been demonstrated logically that the Vedas could not have been composed by human beings. The reasons are five:

1). The author's name is not known.

2). Their musical structure is unaffected over time.

3). They are very vast.

4). They have no contradictions in spite of their vastness.

5). Recent discoveries have already been mentioned in them.

If the Vedas are not man made, then the questions are "Who is responsible for them? And how do we come to know of them"?

The answer according to the Vedas is:

God creates the world in the following sequence: akasha (sky), vayu (air), agni (fire), jala (water), prithvi (earth), plants, seeds and finally human beings and animals. This creation lasts for one kalpa (4.32 billion years), and then it goes into dissolution before being created again. This cycle of creation and dissolution is eternal.

The Seven Seers (Sapta-Rishis)
The Seven Seers (Sapta-Rishis)

 

 

 

 

 

In each creation, the human beings born in the beginning are those who were immensely spiritually evolved in the previous creation. For example in the present creation these are Manu, his wife Shatarupa, the seven sages (Sapta-Rishis) and many others.

 

 

 

 

 

These people, unlike us, remember their past by the grace of God. They also remember by His grace the Vedas that they themselves had learnt in their previous lives. They give birth to children some of whom are of high prowess who too remember some part of the Vedas. Further, these Rishis also teach the Vedas to later generations. In this way, the Vedas come to our knowledge. Such a Rishi is called a seer, i.e. one who sees the mantra (mantra-drishta). Their names appear in the beginning of each hymn, along with the name of the god the hymn is addressed to and the meter in which it is composed. Vishwamitra, one of the seven Sapta-Rishis, is the seer of the famous Gayatri Mantra. Can anybody ever suggest that Vishwamitra is the creator of the Gayatri Mantra? Thus, it is obvious that these sages are not the composers of the hymns and this is the reason why devotion to the Vedas continues intact; they are but God's explicit communication to humans.


References and Further Reading:

  • Bharati, Swami Paramananda. Foundations of Dharma. Bangalore 2008.
  • Bharati, Swami Paramananda. Lectures on Vedanta (80 MP3 Files).
  • Bharati, Swami Paramananda. Vedanta Prabodh: Varanasi, 2010.

This article is based almost entirely on the teachings of Param Pujya Swami Paramanand Bharati Ji.


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  • Nice
    by Shyam Krishna Shrestha on 25th Jun 2011
  • Dear Editor,

    What a wonderful article. This is my first one, greatly appreciate the knowledge shared!

    Dolly

    by Dolly on 28th Nov 2010
  • Dear Editor,

    You are rendering an immense service by publishing the monthly articles. The articles provide a spiritual overview and interpretation of of humanity's past which may serve as a guide for the present. Unfortunately, we are entering a "Scientific Era" where the emphasis is on the molecule, the measurable and visible part of the whole. This generates rampant materialism which is easily embraced by most. (It's recognized that material progress, in the short run, creates better living standards, health etc. for poorer societies).

    I shudder at the very thought of where this is leading to, in the long run. Science doesn't acknowledge entities like mind, consciousness, thoughts, Subconscious and Unconscious states of the human mind. Thus the wrong conclusion drawn by most is that quality doesn't matter only quantity does. Just look at present-day USA.

    Is this the future we want for our children in India, or anywhere? Only the wisdom of Vedas can save us! Vedas were, Vedas are and Vedas will be forever!

    Beware the NEW RELIGION called "SCIENCE"!
    by Ravi Sadana on 27th Nov 2010
  • This article is great. I just regret that the book "Introduction générale à l'étude des doctrines hindoues", by The French author René Guénon, with a chapter entitled \"La perpétuité du Veda\" isn\'t more often mentioned in such articles and publications.
    by Zikmu on 26th Nov 2010
  • I simply am very found of the articles of the month. I just fell so blessed with all these articles. thanks a lot!!!!!!!!!
    by maria leticia de melo on 25th Nov 2010
  • This article is an informative interpretation by the author and is not to be taken for granted as the absolute truth and how Vedas came in to existance. The author must take in to account that we are now living in a modern World in wich Atheist society exists that does not believe in God. To connect Vedas to the supreme being (God) is simply uunacceptable not only to those born in India, but to others who practice different faiths and prosper without a need of Vedas and quite happily. Today, look at India and its corrupt politicians and observe the dishonest society which practices one ting and prides in another written in the books or vscriptures. In short, time for Vedas has passed and it be looked upon only as scholarly thoughts of no practical use as long as one follows civilian laws and practice them without bringing in God.
    by Hemant Kulkarni, USA on 24th Nov 2010
  • Namaskar dear Nitin Kumar;



    Thank You so much for the November article , which I enjoyed reading ! It`s an understanding by the heart and a natural devotion that I feel; as far as I remember said the great and honourable Vivekananda: Why should we doubt on the scriptures ? There is no reason for this !



    With warm regards and



    Namaste
    by Siegfried Gutschmidt on 19th Nov 2010
  • Absolutely beautiful article –congratulations and keep up the good work
    by Pramod Charitra on 17th Nov 2010
  • Dear Editor,

    What is underestimated in this article is that Human Beings, WHEN they are (still) in their original state of advaitic or non-dual perfection (either they were born that way and had never been adulterated or they reclaimed this original perfection through yoga and meditation) that their Essence & Existence as well as their Humanity & Divinity WAS, IS and CAN NEVER BE separate from each other. Their original and innate advaitic or non-dual state is a state of integral wholeness.
    When considering this state, divine & human aspects as well as essential & existential descriptions are only analytical mind-driven distinctions. Their seeming oppositeness is only hypothetical and superficial (illusive actually!) and is caused by a uni-lateral or one-sided and thus limited and limiting view or standpoint.
    The Divine & the Human (and by the same token Existence & Essence) are only separated \"ideas\", fleetingly present in the recesses of analytical minds. They are mere mental distinctions (even if these distinctions can at times be useful) but they are NOT separate realities in the wholeness and fullness of All-encompassing Reality.
    Thus the point is MOTE whether the Vedas were handed down by one or more human beings or by a divine being (\"God\").
    If any ULTIMATE message comes from the Vedas it is the message of Union and Oneness - NOT the flawed notion that humanity and divinity are separate! Indian sages of yore (e.g. Nagarjuna, Dattatreya) and current ones (e.g Ramana Maharshi, Nissargadatta,etc.) attest to that.
    If any aim is set forth by the Vedas or by any authentic liberated, realized or enlightened \"ONE\", it is to assist any human being (to whom their original wholeness became hidden or seemingly lost) in retrieving and reclaiming that holistic recognition and realization.
    I would like to suggest that the writer of this article study these seminal Vedic / Vedantic teachings with a far greater scope, so that the writer, rather than resorting to limiting left-brain analytical argumentations, may offer the readers of this otherwise excellent Website a more all-encompassing integrative view.
    by Wim Borsboom ☸ on 17th Nov 2010
  • Nice article. I could get a lot of knowledge.
    by O. P. Sharma on 17th Nov 2010
  • It is an excellent information on Vedas. I would greatly appreciate to know some more details. Good job.

    Regards,
    by Dr Ravi K. Puri on 16th Nov 2010
  • Thanks! Indeed, such topic need to be repeated from time to time.
    by Yuri Kapten, PhD, the writer in esoterics on 16th Nov 2010
  • Thank you for the clarity on vedas. I would recommend ISCKON (Con) who claim the Vedas to be written by Veda Vyasa / when asked ...is krishna not an incarnation of Lord Vishnu they say no Lord Vishnu is an incarnation of Sri krishna / if so why was sri krishna not mentioned in the vedic hyms ??? instead called Vishnu or Shipivista or trivikrama...they say Veda Vyasa forgot to mention about Sri Krishna so he came up with Srimad Bhagavatam.... loads of crap iskon comes up with ...any way thank you for all the beautiful articles.
    by Karthik K.P on 16th Nov 2010
  • I have been waiting for this information to reach me. I knew it was on its way. Jiyyar swami a few months ago said that 4.32 million years. I knew that he was correct However I was not sure of his source of information. I love this writing and please send me more.
    I believe that Veda were written and composed by rishi\'s with divine help. They will be writter and rewritten at the beginning of each yuga. The holy people that stat life on earth after each pralayam. So I believe that Vedas were written many times over with divine help by several rishis. We know their names as a part of Vedas at the on set of each life cycle.
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    by Sita Rentala on 15th Nov 2010
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